Nick Kiddle ([info]ksej) wrote,
@ 2008-07-14 23:46:00
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A couple of things I'm late posting
Belledame brings us the story of Kyle Payne. Kyle Payne is a male radical feminist who does presentations on the evils of porn and blogs about how emotionally affected he is by it all. Kyle Payne also assaulted a young woman while she was passed out, and videoed the assault. He accepted some plea bargain or other, he's currently waiting to be sentenced, and he's still blogging as if nothing had happened.

The whole story drips with wtf, but this was the one part that made my brain explode hardest. Kyle Payne on the subject of women's abuse stories:

One day I’ll write a book. Well, hopefully several. But this book in particular will be a compilation of all the stories shared with me by survivors. Women (of a variety of different backgrounds) raped, beaten, groped, stalked, threatened, drugged, coerced, tortured, pissed on, and emotionally abused by men (of a variety of different backgrounds).

Women have shared their stories of abuse and degradation with this man. They trusted him that much. And he ... no, there's my brain shutting down again in self-defence.

The other story that tripped the wtf-meter recently was about the magazine editor who sent a rejection letter peppered with racial slurs and assorted derogatory remarks about people from the Middle East. It found its way out into the wider world, and for some reason much of the discussion centred around whether it's the done thing to make rejection letters public.

There are probably two views on whether it's acceptable to publish a random rejection letter that says nothing more than "I can't use your story and here's why" (I always came down on the side of acceptability, and have indeed shared 100% of the rejection letters I've received since I started blogging); when it comes to a rejection like the one Sanders wrote, it's a bit different. Etiquette-based arguments go out of the window on the grounds that it's something of an etiquette breach to let loose with the racial slurs in the first place, and you might almost say that the recipients have a duty to explose that sort of thing rather than give the impression of condoning it by their silence. Interestingly, it looks like the recipient originally published it with quite a different idea in mind.

And of course, Sanders is representing himself as a poor beleaguered truth-teller under siege from the forces of political correctness.



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[info]casaubon
2008-07-15 08:17 am UTC (link)
The reason that the Sanders discussion seemed to concentrate on privacy issues is that the racial slur issue just wasn't very discussion-worthy since everyone agreed he's a bigoted tosser. And the fact that he's a bigot was already well known to most people concerned.
Also the Making Light post started off talking about copyright, despite the fact that Sanders himself never argued that that was a reason not to publicise the rejection letter.

Etiquette-based arguments go out of the window

Only if you think that being rude to rude people is okay. That's a point of view, but I wouldn't say that it's cut and dried.
My personal feeling is that publishing rejection letters has a long history and that it doesn't breach any expectation of confidentiality.

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[info]ksej
2008-07-16 01:27 pm UTC (link)
I don't know about rude, but certainly I don't think there's an obligation to be polite to bigots.

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